WGN Radio: Saturday Night Special w/ Amy Guth

B&H w/ Amy Guth

B&H w/ Amy Guth

We’re excited for this blog to be a live, on-air broadcast from Chicago’s own WGN Radio!

We were super thrilled to be a guest on Amy Guth’s show for her topic: Classical Music in Chicago. Take a listen in, would love to hear your comments!

About the episode:

Tonight on the Saturday Night Special, host Amy Guth explores the world of classical music in the modern era with musicians, composers and appreciators of the form.

Kathryn Satoh and Elizabeth Newkirk of the chamber music duo Bow and Hammer join Amy in-studio to talk about the art and business of being classical music performers in Chicago. They discuss their mission of making classical music an enriching part of everyday life and thoughts on the Chicago classical scene.

WGN Radio’s Dave Schwan talks about his on-air work for WFMT, Chicago’s premiere classical radio station. He talks about the importance of broadcasting classical music for the masses and digs into the historical context of classical music.

Finally, film composer Tony Scott-Green brings his years of experience composing music to round out our conversation with a look into how he composes film scores and a look inside the artistry behind the music you hear in the movies.


When No One Shows Up

There is always something risky about performing live. Whether it is dealing with the adrenaline (as your brain goes into fight or flight mode), heightened pressure or expectation (your worth is often assessed on how perfect or flawless your performance was), or even ensuring that your best is always being presented (being special and unique is how you get hired…or fired)…it’s a tough gig.

Blah blah…you thought I was going to write about how tough it is to be an artist.


While those aspects are completely true about performing, I’d actually like to put the focus on YOU. As an audience member (and that goes for when we are enjoying a show as well), what drives us all to attend a show? Years of recording and a concrete ‘4th wall’ can make it seem like audience participation is a trivial aspect of the show...especially in classical music.

But we can assure you, it’s not.

We’re all in a hectic spot these days. And believe me, we feel it too. The entire industry does. But hopefully we can reach a level of communication with our community where we can say whole-heartedly, “You Matter”.


Playing for an empty house is one of the most disappointing experiences that I can share as a performer. As a duo, we absolutely treasure the conversation with the audience. Much of our rehearsal (and largely our time together as a duo) have been spent working on making the conversation with the audience via the music (or even our banter and narratives) to be as authentic, enjoyable, and organic as possible. Not getting to share that with a group of people diminishes the worth and value of performing live. Period.

This conversation isn’t just about us.

Tell us about you. Leave comments below. We’d love to hear from you and hear about your experience as an audience member/performer….or chef/diner….or retail/consumer. All of these relationships matter, and the more authentic and empathetic we can make that dialogue, the better the eco-system is for all.

My Homage to Lazar

This past spring I had the distinct honor to celebrate Ludmila Lazar's 50th year of teaching at the Chicago College of Performing Arts (CCPA). She was my professor during my master's degree at CCPA, and has continued to be a mentor and coach for Bow & Hammer. The history of Dr. Lazar's tenure highlights not only the legacy of Rudolph Ganz but the rich tradition that has existed at CCPA. 

Dr. Lazar as a student with Rudolph Ganz

Dr. Lazar as a student with Rudolph Ganz

Just to give you a little background: Dr. Lazar first came to Chicago to study at CCPA as a young woman from Slovenia. Her time as a student under Ganz shaped so much of her work and led her down many roads of musical discovery. Dr. Lazar's musical knowledge is one that is extremely vast while yet being extremely personal. Her Slovenian heritage remains an incredible compass in navigating different customs and languages. She describes Slovenia as a crossroads of many cultures, and attributes her life there with giving her a sense of discovery and also the ability to recognize the dance and song within many musical languages. She is especially celebrated for her performances and lectures of the music by Béla Bartók. 

While I know she has touched and truly changed the life of many, I'd like to (as poetically as I am able) share my experience of studying with her.

If there’s one thing that can be difficult to navigate as a student (or a teacher) in the arts, it’s the balance of cultivating self intuition and expression while learning techniques, styles, and forms. While that may not sound like a tricky balance, often in the pursuit of learning proper technique and style, students can straight-jacket themselves into regurgitating examples from their teacher or become solely concerned with getting a passage ‘correct’. While at the same time, students who forge ahead on personal feeling that is uninformed, can produce playing (or art) that lacks sophistication and maturity because they are not informed of historical context, fail to recognize references from the composer, and/or understand concepts that would make the work clearer and more palpable to the listener. 

A lesson with Dr. Lazar addresses these two paradigms effortlessly. I remember working on the “Les Adieux” Sonata by Beethoven, and we spent the entire hour on the first 3 lines. The dotted rhythms in the introduction were not high on my priority list, and it became clear to her that it wasn’t a lack of rhythmic coordination on my part but furthermore that I wasn’t sensitive to what Beethoven was referencing with these distinct dotted rhythms. She asks, “Come on, Elizabeth, where have you heard these rhythms??” I shrug my shoulders. She exclaims, “Baroque French Overture!” I nodded, even though this perplexed me. Afterwards, I scurried home to listen to several recordings. 

This would be the first of many stories where context would illuminate notation, helping me to see the stories and narratives the composer was saying through each work. This isn’t to say it discouraged me from creating my own narratives, but it helped me to recognize the concrete ideas already put in place, their historical references, and the possibility of connecting ideas to other contextual suggestions. The ability of the performer to relate a work to the surrounding world, personal situations, and for a larger global context is vitally important, maybe now more than ever. And this ability (for me at least) undoubtedly relies on a creative balance between specific and ambiguous contexts. 

One last note about Dr. Lazar: She jokes about her 'dinosaur-ish' nature (refusing to email, not tech savvy). I find this quality about her extremely refreshing. As an American, I recognize my country's struggle with managing a talent for innovation and discovery while also maintaining and enlisting a deep and diverse knowledge of past and cultural traditions. These are often acknowledged as opposing ideas. Yet, her presentation of these two worlds is incredibly unique and genuine. To truly understand the past, to recognize the roots of our present abilities and actions with the achievements and failures of previous generations, can never be complete without acknowledging their risks, acceptance of new ideas, and ability to integrate the new with the old.

I'm so thankful to know her. I hope to be that person for others in the future. Thank you, Dr. Lazar, for all that you do and for all that you've done. 


Dr. Lazar with Elizabeth

Dr. Lazar with Elizabeth